Yahoo Mail blocked by outsourced spam defense firms

More subscribers to cagreens.org, greens.org, and gp-us.org mailing lists use Yahoo Mail than use any other email service provider.

Our subscribers post to over a hundred of these mailing lists through Yahoo Mail's web site. Those postings usually contain a few hundred characters of message that the subscriber actually wrote, and *tens of thousands* of characters of Yahoo advertising and formatting. The actual message is often less than 5% of the total bulk.

That is, when you send Yahoo Mail, you're sending tons of crap.

Many other subscribers to these lists use smaller, independent Internet services. Now that email is over 95% spam, these companies can't afford to develop and maintain their own spam defenses. So they outsource it. These companies' customers are consumers. They want it cheap, and they don't mind if some legitimate messages are blocked along with the spam. So these outsourced spam defenses are getting *very* aggressive.

Now, when the outsourced spam defense sees a message filled with tons of crap, the spam score goes way up. But if it came from Yahoo, they take some points off, because they know all Yahoo mail is full of tons of crap.

But when you post through a gp-us.org list from Yahoo, your message isn't coming from Yahoo any more. It's coming from gp-us.org, so the special crap discount for Yahoo senders doesn't apply. Some of this stuff is now spammy-looking enough that the outsourced defenses are rejecting it as spam. I'm seeing people getting unsubscribed from lists because their independent email companies are rejecting too much list traffic.

Yahoo Mail is becoming incompatible with the public email system.

Someone told me recently they think it's intentional. Yahoo wants to use its large market share to hurt other email providers. If that's true, it means the break-up of the public email system into proprietary corporate islands. But I think it's just a coincidence of accidents. Nvever ascribe to malice what can more easily be explained by...

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Because of my DSL account with ATT (don't get me started), I am actually a *paying* Yahoo mail user. Nonetheless, a couple of months ago, my webmail page changed for the worse, with the amount of advertising tripling, and including a lot of animated Flash movies, other kinds of flashing, etc. I complained, but of course it did no good whatsoever.

I switched all my online listserv and news subscription mail to a Gmail (Google) account. Google is somewhat better -- at least their advertising is text based (at least for now). I also like the way their mail discussions thread, instead of each email being a separate message. But their Contacts/address book features are sorely lacking.

Neither company is great on privacy issues or other Green values. For my personal and business mail, I use the ad free mail provided by my domain hosting provider, accessed through Thunderbird, a free email client that is M$-free as well.

In addition to Cameron's email addys, you can get one from Riseup.net, and I'll even give you a *@greencommons.org address for a small donation.


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